Why is Shimano so hated by some? - 2005/03/14 05:19As a frequent visitor to this group. I've noticed that there are a few posters who use this as a platform to steer people against the use of Shimano components. What's wrong with Shimano?
re:Why is Shimano so hated by some? - 2005/03/14 06:15It must have been a long time ago he was in Holland, because all youth have scooters and after that they quickly buy a car. We are very fast keeping up with the US concerning the obesity issue.
Bikes are mainly used for recreational purposes here nowadays.
re:Why is Shimano so hated by some? - 2005/03/14 08:30Wait a minute: here in Holland we can send the shifters to the Service Center and get them back repaired in stead of buying new shifters.
re:Why is Shimano so hated by some? - 2005/03/14 15:32I didn't say it was more fun; but it was said that it's cheaper to replace the computer, and $110 is a whole lot cheaper than any computers I saw advertised in the Sunday paper -- except the one that comes free with a plasma tv at CompUSA.
I'll give you that; an inexpensive new computer is a better value than putting $110 into an old one. Often, however, value is not as important as cheap; and sometimes the user doesn't want to learn a new computer with a new version of windows and new software (and is unable to move all the old software themselves).
You silly apple-computer recumbent-bike hybrid-car weird-looking-house people... <G>
re:Why is Shimano so hated by some? - 2005/03/14 22:29Are you sure about this time line? Windows certainly pre-dated the Mac, though I'm less sure about the earlier Apple versions. Remember that Windows 2.11 (the first semi-useful version) came out around the late 80's.
re:Why is Shimano so hated by some? - 2005/03/15 09:48To his eyes, I wasn't spending enough money in his store to justify his efforts. His store caters mostly to higher end clientels, but was the only shop I knew of selling Campagnolo stuff at the time, which was why I bought the parts from him. Since I sold my Campy equipped race bike, I found no reason to shop at his store anymore.
re:Why is Shimano so hated by some? - 2005/03/16 04:33Heh...of course. Our sport is cycling. A cyclist is somebody who participates in the sport of cycling. Therefore, not only is the majority of cyclists participating in our sport high, in fact, 100% of cyclists participate in our sport.
Unless you're suggesting that the majority of cyclists are high on drugs. I'd beg to differ on that, but I really haven't met the majority of cyclists.
I thought your opinion was regarding asians, not blacks. Wasn't it proven by somebody else in this thread that more asians ride bicycles than any other race? You know, what with bicycles being such major modes of transportation in asian countries and such.
It's similarly difficult to name black drivers in NASCAR races, at least, it was when followed NASCAR (it's been five or ten years). That's not evidence that most blacks don't drive cars, or that most drivers aren't black (regardless of the numbers involved, that's just not a valid way to estimate). I suspect that the Formula 1 circuit, which compares more directly to the TdF, has even less black drivers -- in fact, any time I've seen F1 on tv, it's had ONLY caucasian male drivers.
So, wrt your asian thing..can anybody who paid attention pipe up with some Asians that were in the TdF?
re:Why is Shimano so hated by some? - 2005/03/16 18:07People who can't walk are statistical outliers too, but they must be publically accomodated for the good of everyone.
Big/tall folks are not (yet) a protected group, and bike components are not officially a "public accomodation", but to me the comparison is clear. If Shimano want to own the whole market for bike components, they should make some provisions for the small ends of the bell curve, at least WRT safety.
re:Why is Shimano so hated by some? - 2005/03/17 01:19The problem with the idea of comparing the "top of the line" is that you have already assumed that the tops of both lines are equally high. The fact is that Campy's top of the line is head and shoulders higher than Shimano's top of the line. Therefore, they're not price comparable in the sense that they offer a different value for money. Dura-ace and Chorus are quite similar and therefore it makes sense to compare the prices as the products are comparable. Otherwise, you unreasonably (and contrary to the facts) restrict both lines to the same range of quality (while conveniently ignoring that you've skewed the Shimano product line allowing it to dip way down below Campy in terms of lower quality components). The only reason why one would compare the two product lines by matching Dura-Ace with Record, Ultegra with Chorus, etc. is if one is primarily interested in the status/style cache that is attached to the name.
re:Why is Shimano so hated by some? - 2005/03/17 04:32Well, strangely enough, but somehow we tend to buy things that make u feel batter or a more special person - or with hope that this particula thing will make us a better person - or simply makes us different fro the others - and not because it has a 10-gear cogs or nice-lookin deraillers' shifters on the handlebars... It's a very comforting feelin to realise that your bike is DIFFERENT from the ones around you especially when you're the only one using Campagnolo equipment around it gives you a tremendous feeling of empowerment
But i want to take a broader view on that - this is all down to the way of shopping in the modern society - long past are the days when peopl chose products for their features or functuonality. We buy things tha resonate with our own life principles and own philosophies. We buy given thing because we like it, and we feel comfortable with it (subjec to to a personal taste) and not because we really need it, or because i is better than the others. The whole modern marketing theory is premise on this very concept: to make people buy things for not what they reall are but for what people think they are - the vision of the product tha they have in their minds. There's even a term that marketologists use t describe this phenomena: perceived value of the product - it prompt consumers into buying decision
It's all about subjective reality that everyone of us creates in his ow mind - that's all there is to it. Marketologists have simply learned t exploit it to their advantage - namely, to make money. The net result everybody is happy: we get what we like and in return the producers ge the money from us
Now can anyone out there tell me what's wrong with that?
re:Why is Shimano so hated by some? - 2005/03/17 05:02I know. In old cities it's difficult to drive a car and you can gain time by taking a bike. Mostly students and pupils of schools use bikes. I ride about 30 miles every day and can assure you I don't see many cyclists outside the center of cities.
re:Why is Shimano so hated by some? - 2005/03/17 11:49Ok. Im convinced!!!! When my Tiagra shifters crap-out im going Chorus!! My moutain bike go's on ebay tonight so i can get money for Record OR !
re:Why is Shimano so hated by some? - 2005/03/17 14:40I wish that would be the case, but you're right: many people suffer a great loss once in a while...but most of us have what we call a "station bike": a bike you use mainly to cycle to the railroad station (a very old rusty bike not worth stealing). those bikes are the ones that are stolen most often. I
$10. She recognized the bike and said" What a minute, that's my bike!". The thief then said: "in that case you can have it for $5". I have 5 racing bikes. I never leave them unguarded. Every time they are outside, my behind is on the saddle 100% of the time. Yes: the theory is commonly accepted that the explanation for the bike theft rate is that drug dependent individuals steal bikes to pay for their drug habits. They sell them for as little as 10 -20 US $. them? It never happened to me....but as I said: my behind is firmly attached to the saddle!
re:Why is Shimano so hated by some? - 2005/03/17 17:52<snip>
having recently ridden with a guy who asked me "why is my brake rubbing" and then discovering that all 6 of his disk bolts were nearly out, i'd say that a splined rotor is the best way to go. all the torque is handled by the splines, only allignment by the lock nut - a much lesser task, and much less room for fitter error.
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